[Chevelle-list] Chevelle-list Digest, Vol 51, Issue 44
Chuck Speake
chuckspke at dslextreme.com
Sun Oct 28 17:40:42 MST 2007
Hi Rick,
I have a 70 Malibu that I replace the original hood with a SS non-functional
hood. I left my windshield washer nozzles in the same place as they were
and have had no problem with them if this is what you are talking about. I
will get my digital camera and go out in the garage and take a couple of
photo's and send them to you tonight.
Chuck Speake
1970 Chevelle Malibu
Glen Ellyn, Illinois
chuckspke at dslextreme.com
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: starter & starter wiring (John Nasta)
2. Re: Cowl Hood Windshield Wiper Nozzles (Rick Schaefer)
3. Re: Cowl Hood Windshield Wiper Nozzles (Rick Schaefer)
4. Re: starter & starter wirin (Rick Schaefer)
5. A Great Group (SteveZL1)
6. Re: starter & starter wiring (Dennis.McGillis)
7. Re: starter & starter wiring (Expypate at aol.com)
8. Re: A Great Group (Rick Schaefer)
9. Herb (Rick Schaefer)
10. Re: Cowl Hood Windshield Wiper Nozzles (Daniel Solomon)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:00:33 -0700
From: John Nasta <69ec at johnnasta.com>
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] starter & starter wiring
To: chevelle-list at chevelles.net
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Yeah, I wish he still had it. I saw a white '59 coupe in Marin County
CA about a year ago under a carport with enough dust & dirt on it to
be obvious that it hasn't been driven in years. I was so tempted to
knock on their door and ask about it...
Quoting Rich Pruett <busted_knuckles at comcast.net>:
> I'll take that '59 off your dad's hands!
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:19:19 -0500
From: "Rick Schaefer" <rickas at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Cowl Hood Windshield Wiper Nozzles
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" <chevelle-list at chevelles.net>
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Any answer yet? I spent some time this AM looking thru the 72
Assembly manual & the 72 Fisher Body Manual & couldn't find anything
definite. The assembly manual page (1A2D) is reproduced very poorly & I
can't tell exactly how they are mounting the nozzles.
I did go look at my cowl hood and can tell you where I mounted them
several years ago. I don't remember what rational or info I used, but this
what I did.
Passenger side, there is a "bubble" in the cowl screen that seemed to be
the location. The nozzle is mounted about 3 inches inboard of the rise for
the hood bubble. And stix out thru the screen bubble.
Driver side - Mounted just barely outboard of the beginning of the rise
for the hood bubble.
FYI - If you use the cowl screen, be very careful about which screws you use
to mount it. I bought a repro screen & screws. The screws were a hair too
long. After I mounted the screen I had 5 or 6 little dimples sticking up
at the back of the "good" side of the hood. Paintless dent repair got them
out, but it was aggravating.
Going back to the nnozzles, I don't remember if I used predrilled holes or
not. Hope this helps.
On 10/26/07, Jim Balitz <jbalitz at msn.com> wrote:
>
> I swapped out my my '72 Chevelle standard hood for a non-functional cowl
> hood. The cowl hood does not have wiper nozzles mounted. I need to know
> which sets of holes, on either side of the cowl,the nozzles get mounted
in?
>
> If anyone has a picture or sketch of a '70-72 cowl hood with the nozzles
> showing, I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
>
> 72Chevy
>
>
--
Rick Schaefer
72 TPI El Camino
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:21:08 -0500
From: "Rick Schaefer" <rickas at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Cowl Hood Windshield Wiper Nozzles
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" <chevelle-list at chevelles.net>
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Almost forgot, I used original flat hood nozzles, but it seems that
somewhere along the line I heard that cowl hood uses different nozzles.
Don't know if this is fact or not.
On 10/27/07, Rick Schaefer <rickas at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Any answer yet? I spent some time this AM looking thru the 72
> Assembly manual & the 72 Fisher Body Manual & couldn't find anything
> definite. The assembly manual page (1A2D) is reproduced very poorly & I
> can't tell exactly how they are mounting the nozzles.
>
> I did go look at my cowl hood and can tell you where I mounted them
> several years ago. I don't remember what rational or info I used, but
this
> what I did.
>
> Passenger side, there is a "bubble" in the cowl screen that seemed to
> be the location. The nozzle is mounted about 3 inches inboard of the rise
> for the hood bubble. And stix out thru the screen bubble.
> Driver side - Mounted just barely outboard of the beginning of the rise
> for the hood bubble.
>
> FYI - If you use the cowl screen, be very careful about which screws you
> use to mount it. I bought a repro screen & screws. The screws were a
> hair too long. After I mounted the screen I had 5 or 6 little dimples
> sticking up at the back of the "good" side of the hood. Paintless dent
> repair got them out, but it was aggravating.
>
> Going back to the nnozzles, I don't remember if I used predrilled holes or
> not. Hope this helps.
>
>
> On 10/26/07, Jim Balitz <jbalitz at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > I swapped out my my '72 Chevelle standard hood for a non-functional cowl
> > hood. The cowl hood does not have wiper nozzles mounted. I need to know
> > which sets of holes, on either side of the cowl,the nozzles get mounted
in?
> >
> > If anyone has a picture or sketch of a '70-72 cowl hood with the nozzles
> > showing, I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
> >
> > 72Chevy
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Rick Schaefer
> 72 TPI El Camino
>
>
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Rick Schaefer
72 TPI El Camino
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:29:31 -0500
From: "Rick Schaefer" <rickas at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] starter & starter wirin
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John
You may have gotten an instruction sheet with the new starter, but if not,
here is an easy method for shimming it correctly.
http://macc.chevelles.net/starter.htm Worked very well for me.
On 10/27/07, Brian Knight <torch5790 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> John, for temporary use, find a suitable size can (coffee,etc.) and trim
> to fit over the starter. This will reflect the heat, it just looks bad.
>
> Brian
>
> > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 08:52:09 -0700
> > From: 69ec at johnnasta.com
> > To: chevelle-list at chevelles.net
> > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] starter & starter wiring
> >
> > Thanks Herb,
> >
> > I think you're right. That would explain why replacing the starter
> > fixes the problem for a while.
> >
> > I have a Flowmaster kit on it and I was thinking while I was poking
> > around in there yesterday that the exhaust is very close to the starter.
> >
> > I'll check on that spring on Monday. Do you happen to have a part
> number?
> >
> > The Ford solenoid does have it's advantages, but I have to move this
> > car by Monday or I'll get a ticket. No time for mail order. I'll hold
> > onto the info.
> >
> > Would it help to put some kind of heat tape on the exhaust pipe?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Herb Lumpp <blamacamvet at gmail.com>:
> >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > If you're having a hot start problem it's because the exhaust is
> cooking the
> > > solenoid. There are a couple of ways that I know of to fix this...
> > >
> > > 1. Replace the solenoid spring with a low tension spring (Chevy
> dealer).
> > > When the solenoid gets hot it draws too many amps for the battery to
> > > support. By using a low tension spring, the hot solenoid can compress
> it
> > > easier.
> > >
> > > Or,
> > >
> > > 2. You can convert your starter to work with a Ford solenoid. MAD
> Electric
> > > sells the kit... http://www.madelectrical.com/catalog/st-1.shtml
> > >
> > > Have fun and good luck.
> > >
> > > Herb
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: chevelle-list-bounces at chevelles.net
> > > [mailto:chevelle-list-bounces at chevelles.net] On Behalf Of John Nasta
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:05 AM
> > > To: chevelle-list at chevelles.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] starter & starter wiring
> > >
> > > Thanks. These have been rebuilt starters. They work fine until I try
> to
> > > start it while hot. The one in July fried when I shut it off to get
> gas and
> > > tried to restart. The last one fried when I shut it off and then
> realized I
> > > was not in a legal parking space and tried to restart.
> > >
> > > I spun the flexplate yesterday and did not see any bad teeth on it. I
> am not
> > > using any shims. However, I have to question whether it could be a
> physical
> > > problem like that because the thing that seems to be fatal is trying
> to
> > > start it when hot. Also, changing the starter seems to fix the
> problem.
> > >
> > > I'm also wondering if pulling current directly off of the battery is
> sending
> > > too much amperage to the starter. Don't know enough about electricity
> to
> > > know if that's possible. I always thought that a thing would only draw
> as
> > > much as it can draw, and there is no such thing as too much available
> > > amperage.
> > >
> > > Of course this always has to be fixed when it's raining. I'll be
> buying
> > > another starter today and I'll let you know what happens, other than
> me
> > > getting wet.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting HarKemAsso at aol.com:
> > >
> > >> In a message dated 10/26/2007 3:22:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > >> 69ec at johnnasta.com writes:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> I'm having some bad luck w/ starters
> > >>
> > >> what brand is the starter?? i have had that happen with rebuilt ones,
> i
> > >> switched (actually the store where i bought them "upgraded" me to a
> > >> A/C after i
> > >> brought about 6 of the others back) to a new A/C brand and everything
> > >> was ok
> > >>
> > >> Harlan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> **************************************
> > >> See what's new at
> > >> http://www.aol.com
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:29:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: SteveZL1 <stevezl1 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Chevelle-list] A Great Group
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Hi to all group members. I've been basically watching from the sidelines.
But I just have to say how I admire the camaraderie of this group. Most
members act like real friends...
someone you can turn to with a problem.
When I was younger I worked at a Pontiac dealership. (keep hanging around
until they offered me a job) Ended up staying 6+ years. Started out washing
cars then worked up towards helping out at the Service Tower checking in
customers cars, handing out work to the mechanics, etc.
(eventually bumped heads with the owner's son - we know who won that fight)
Then I got a job at the local Oldsmobile parts department until it finally
closed down. Never could get a job with the Chevy dealerships. I'm 100% G.M.
all the way.
Took a break from the car scene for a while.
(I remember it took my hands about two weeks to heal - busted knuckles, wear
& tear, etc.)
I got to the point where I just couldn't deal with some of people
(customers) anymore. The worst were the wealthy ones. The average guy was
the best. I'd even let several behind the counter & we'd look either on line
or in person for the exact part they needed) Sorry if this post is a bit
long winded.
I just want to say what a great bunch of fellows this group has. That I have
a place to turn if I need the help. By next fall or so I'll be looking for a
!966 - 1967 Chevelle. (never been too big a fan of the 68 -69; can't afford
a 1970) My health forces me to look for a turn key type (or one that doesn't
need much work) Somewhere in the 15K range - if the prices don't head
towards outer space. A street driver.
Lastly, does anyone remember a post from about a year or so ago that
included an attachment (or private website) where the owner did his own
resto? (I hope it was this group; I'm in a couple) I remember the car being
a '67 (maybe 66). The car was painted brown. He had smoothed the firewall,
etc. I think is was switched over from an automatic to four speed. It had
several photos of the work in progress. If I can find that site it would
really get my enthusiasm going again. Any ideas who's it was? Keep up the
great work guys! Thanks ahead of time for any help.
SteveZL1
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:36:21 -0700
From: "Dennis.McGillis" <Dennis.McGillis at mcgilliscompany.com>
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] starter & starter wiring
To: <chevelle-list at chevelles.net>
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Yes, the gear reduction starters are smaller, lighter and more powerful than
the old cast iron ones our cars came with. Also more expensive.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nasta" <69ec at johnnasta.com>
To: <chevelle-list at chevelles.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] starter & starter wiring
> Thanks Dennis,
>
> Is that the same thing as a mini-starter?
>
> I guess without a doubt I should be getting one at least for the '70
> Malibu if not the '69 EC. The '70 has headers. Hopefully it will be
> running soon. The '69 has stock x-mans but the pipes still come very
> close to the starter.
>
> John
>
>
>
> Quoting "Dennis.McGillis" <Dennis.McGillis at mcgilliscompany.com>:
>
>> John, I cured a hard start when hot problem on my '65 Chevelle's new
>> crate engine by returning the $50 rebuilt starter and upgrading to a
>> $200 gear reduction starter. Hot start problems are gone.
>> Dennis McGillis
>> 1965 Malibu SS-350
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:42:24 EDT
From: Expypate at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] starter & starter wiring
To: chevelle-list at chevelles.net
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I just had my old Power Master mini starter give after 10 years of abuse. I
bought a new one from these guys who came highly recommended. It works
great
and has enough power to crank over my 454 with no problem.
_http://www.db-starter-alternator.com/Items/st100_
(http://www.db-starter-alternator.com/Items/st100)
Pat
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:29:27 -0500
From: "Rick Schaefer" <rickas at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] A Great Group
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" <chevelle-list at chevelles.net>
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Steve, Welcome. Yea this is a pretty good group. Very little bickering
and only the occasional troll trying to sell something.
Can't help with your particular web page, but there are a few here that may
be of interest: http://www.chevelles.net/links/Garage/ And sorry bout
the dead links .
On 10/27/07, SteveZL1 <stevezl1 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Hi to all group members. I've been basically watching from the sidelines.
> But I just have to say how I admire the camaraderie of this group. Most
> members act like real friends...
> someone you can turn to with a problem.
>
> When I was younger I worked at a Pontiac dealership. (keep hanging around
> until they offered me a job) Ended up staying 6+ years. Started out
washing
> cars then worked up towards helping out at the Service Tower checking in
> customers cars, handing out work to the mechanics, etc.
> (eventually bumped heads with the owner's son - we know who won that
> fight)
>
> Then I got a job at the local Oldsmobile parts department until it finally
> closed down. Never could get a job with the Chevy dealerships. I'm 100%
> G.M. all the way.
>
> Took a break from the car scene for a while.
> (I remember it took my hands about two weeks to heal - busted knuckles,
> wear & tear, etc.)
>
> I got to the point where I just couldn't deal with some of people
> (customers) anymore. The worst were the wealthy ones. The average guy was
> the best. I'd even let several behind the counter & we'd look either on
line
> or in person for the exact part they needed) Sorry if this post is a bit
> long winded.
>
> I just want to say what a great bunch of fellows this group has. That I
> have a place to turn if I need the help. By next fall or so I'll be
looking
> for a !966 - 1967 Chevelle. (never been too big a fan of the 68 -69; can't
> afford a 1970) My health forces me to look for a turn key type (or one
that
> doesn't need much work) Somewhere in the 15K range - if the prices don't
> head towards outer space. A street driver.
>
> Lastly, does anyone remember a post from about a year or so ago that
> included an attachment (or private website) where the owner did his own
> resto? (I hope it was this group; I'm in a couple) I remember the car
being
> a '67 (maybe 66). The car was painted brown. He had smoothed the firewall,
> etc. I think is was switched over from an automatic to four speed. It had
> several photos of the work in progress. If I can find that site it would
> really get my enthusiasm going again. Any ideas who's it was? Keep up the
> great work guys! Thanks ahead of time for any help.
> SteveZL1
>
--
Rick Schaefer
72 TPI El Camino
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:31:52 -0500
From: "Rick Schaefer" <rickas at gmail.com>
Subject: [Chevelle-list] Herb
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" <chevelle-list at chevelles.net>
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Herb Do you still have a webpage for the rebuild of your el camino?
Last one I have listed is for an adelphia page. And I'm sure that you've
relocated several times since then.
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72 TPI El Camino
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:44:25 -0400
From: Daniel Solomon <dansolomon at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Cowl Hood Windshield Wiper Nozzles
To: The Chevelle Mailing List <chevelle-list at chevelles.net>
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That is correct. The cowl hood uses different nozzles than the flat hood. I
installed mine the only way I could see that they could possibly fit but I
didn't use any reliable documentation to back up my decision. If you want
pics of what I did let me know.Godspeed, Dan Solomon"It is a mistake to
allow any mechanical object to realize you are in a
hurry."http://www.freewebs.com/chevelles1970/
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:21:08 -0500From: rickas at gmail.comTo:
chevelle-list at chevelles.netSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Cowl Hood Windshield
Wiper Nozzles Almost forgot, I used original flat hood nozzles, but it
seems that somewhere along the line I heard that cowl hood uses different
nozzles. Don't know if this is fact or not.
On 10/27/07, Rick Schaefer <rickas at gmail.com> wrote:
Any answer yet? I spent some time this AM looking thru the 72
Assembly manual & the 72 Fisher Body Manual & couldn't find anything
definite. The assembly manual page (1A2D) is reproduced very poorly & I
can't tell exactly how they are mounting the nozzles.
I did go look at my cowl hood and can tell you where I mounted them
several years ago. I don't remember what rational or info I used, but this
what I did.
Passenger side, there is a "bubble" in the cowl screen that seemed to be
the location. The nozzle is mounted about 3 inches inboard of the rise for
the hood bubble. And stix out thru the screen bubble.
Driver side - Mounted just barely outboard of the beginning of the rise
for the hood bubble.
FYI - If you use the cowl screen, be very careful about which screws you use
to mount it. I bought a repro screen & screws. The screws were a hair too
long. After I mounted the screen I had 5 or 6 little dimples sticking up
at the back of the "good" side of the hood. Paintless dent repair got them
out, but it was aggravating.
Going back to the nnozzles, I don't remember if I used predrilled holes or
not. Hope this helps.
On 10/26/07, Jim Balitz <jbalitz at msn.com> wrote:
I swapped out my my '72 Chevelle standard hood for a non-functional cowl
hood. The cowl hood does not have wiper nozzles mounted. I need to know
which sets of holes, on either side of the cowl,the nozzles get mounted in?
If anyone has a picture or sketch of a '70-72 cowl hood with the nozzles
showing, I would really appreciate it. Thanks. 72Chevy -- Rick Schaefer 72
TPI El Camino-- Rick Schaefer72 TPI El Camino
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